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| I never had a problem with my wife being seen nude she is good to look at and I'm proud to be with her nude or not in public. In the past I watched men and women intently look at her. At one nude party the fellow who was one of two best men at our wedding said to her "wow what great breasts you have!" It was inappropriate but I let it pass when my wife said "thank you." Then his fiancé told me I had a "great looking butt." It all depends on the situation. Of course my protector side is alive to certain degrees depending upon the environment we are in. I had only one touchy situation with my wife being nude when a "friend" who was clothed at a nude party with us showed me photos a month later he had taken of her and others at the party without permission. I confronted him and it ended when he surrendered the photos. Other than that there were no other like situations but my protection radar is always on standby. | |
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| My wife and I enjoyed nudism early on in our relationship at home, parties, dining nude with or just being nude with friends, Orient Beach in St. Martin, skinny dipping in the woods, etc. As our relationship matured, been together since 1986, she was nude around the house or elsewhere less and less. I would be nude as much as possible and asked her if it was OK. She said OK but it made her uncomfortable once in awhile. The years progressed and I decided to try nudist clubs because I felt too constrained by society and the poor opinion of nudism in general hoping to be my nude self in a place where it was condoned. I joined AANR and included my wife as well. I should have asked first because she became upset with the possibility of folks at work finding out. I then asked her what happened to her former acceptance of nudity, she said that was an "experimental" part of her life and chooses not to anymore. I'm sure body self image got in the way as she aged. Her response to my interest in clubs was hoping it was a "passing thing." After finding it so hard for singles at clubs she may be right but I'm still nude around the house often and she allows me to be nude with friends including women while she isn't around. But,I often find myself in conflict with my feelings and desires not wishing to upset her. We allow each other to be ourselves on just about every level but like all humans relationship has it's good and not so good days. I'm happy to say mine is wonderful but I keep myself flexible for those inevitable upsets that come our way and fondly reflect upon the "good old days." | |
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| Right on Mikes-Ghost, I have been to Berkshire as a married single and found them very open but I did have one fellow plank himself down near me on the lawn above the pool and point blank ask me how I felt about nude children. Every club has it's singles suspicions, Dyer Woods runs a sex offender check and told me so upfront. At clubs I attended it was obvious the children are held in check at first when a new male individual shows up. I don't blame them at all given the weirdo ratio out there. Just give me the opportunity to relax is all I ask. As a married guy I wish my wife would get back into nudism but she dropped it awhile ago and being who she is sitting around the pool or lake seriously kicked back like I enjoy doing do isn't her style. She is always on the go between work, her hobbies and community involvement. We do our own stuff, individuals that we are, and she allows my nudism to be as I wish, love her to death. So a nudist individual at clubs I will stay unless one of our lady friends finally decides to give it a try at a club rather than just here at our house. | |
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| Thanks Nudies and Jimshedd 2 very accurate depictions of how life can run and run you. I never would get nude with any other of my employees unless they requested to go to a club with me for their first nudist outing. The employee present when I disrobed is another matter. I know her very well as a friend and see no potential danger. She may still take me up on trip to a club with me, I sense she is interested. | |
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| Another textile and nudist encounter. During a very hot summer morning I was working in my business that is not open for the day until late afternoon. I often work nude when the weather permits and was on the verge of disrobing when in walked a trusted fill-in female employee and friend in her early thirties who has a key. She is very intelligent and we have in depth conversations often. She is gay. I said "another minute and you would have caught me nude." She surprised me by saying "go for it!" I decided to do so having intended to if she were not there. I disrobed in front of her and it was VERY obvious that she enjoyed watching me undress with a very large smile across her face and she looked at every aspect of me without an eye to eye uncomfortable stare. Standing there nude with her dressed was awkward at first because she is an employee. That soon faded and we started chatting as we often do. The conversation got to nudism and I asked her to be daring and undress. She turned into a beet red, blushing, nervous and shy little girl. Quite a contrast from the very self confidant lady I always know her to be. She said she too gets nude in her home and in the backyard while knowing neighbors might see her and with girl friends to skinny dip. I invited her to join me at a club. That made her blush again and she said "no way!" Another contrast in how some people hold nudity. It's OK only in certain circumstances. I asked her to at least consider a club trip someday and she didn't say no. Now when she shows up and I'm nude we engage in our usual in-depth conversations for hours at a time like it is a normal way of being. My nudity is accepted by her and someday she too may be nude during our chats. To each their own. | |
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| If you are licensed to carry, a hard earned privilege, you should be able to carry anywhere. There is conversation now about allowing permitted folks to carry nationwide. I carry daily and have been in situations where I left a potential crisis rather than stand my ground, except for one. A crazed woman was charging at me as a bystander screamed "SHE HAS A KNIFE." A quick assessment and I dropped her with a well placed karate kick to the solar plexus ending a potential life or death situation. But rational thinking in the face of death is rare and the reason why permitted people are well checked, at least in my state. Carrying at a nudist resort can be easy, Galco Co. makes a great fanny pack, folks poke fun at me calling it my "man bag", that I use on a daily basis and is very handy strapped around your waist not just to carry your piece but wallet, sunglasses, keys, cellphone, etc. as well. You aren't totally nude, as we all like to be, but it sure is handy, easy to wear and nice knowing your items are safe and secure at your side. A concealed tidbit from a State Police Trooper about the stiff NYC pistol laws prohibiting even him for carrying there because he was from out of state who defies that law, "I would rather be tried by 6 of my peers rather than carried to my grave by them." | |
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| Thank you Olivia for your comment on my post. Thanks for being who you are and willing to pierce the veil/s of socially accepted states of being, nudist related or not. Stay focused, keep the "up hill charge" in effect but don't let it consume you and drive you away, your input is valuable. Remember this one: "Solving a problem creates a space for the next one." The charge will never end. | |
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| Lots of good points all around here. Thanks again Olivia for stirring the creative juices pot once more. My take: The bulk of my friends are female because I gave up the male stereotype I was born into that treated women as objects. It was a milestone in my life when I allowed women to be who they are rather than what I thought they "should be." The day my mind cleared of socially accepted, preconceived ideas I found women gravitating to me relaxed and becoming friends. I conducted my first marriage coming from "knowing how it is done." Years later she still holds me as an enemy. Then came my awakening. Now former lovers, my second wife, my current wife and I are all friendly because of that shift regardless of why we got into a relationship or separated because we treated each other as equals and shared in that manner. The world would be a better place if that happened everywhere. My third wife and I come from a place of allowing each other to be who we are with in depth conversations to cure any misconseptions. She allows me to attend nudist happenings on my own and to have nude lunches with lady friends of ours without her being present, talk about trust. All a result of my "getting off it" about how a woman should be. We who drop our clothing without concern to enjoy nude freedom are a very different, growing, minority. But, BIG BUT, I am VERY aware of the crazies out there and encountered many, male and female, displaying such traits. Lots of hidden agendas in many human minds. As a result I have been chided often for being overly protective of the lady I may be with at the time. I don't think that will ever go away and wonder how I would feel today walking in Central Park with my wife and I topless. I would be VERY wary for sure while wishing for that extremely elusive experience of safe nudist freedom we all desire to arrive. | |
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| I've been nude in many different circumstances and have a large collection of photos of myself and friends in a variety of situations, beaches, homes, backyards, gardening, nude parties, etc. it is a commonplace event/hobby for myself and those that know me including textile friends that have no problem with me being nude around them. The trick always is to be appropriate, ask permission and avoid the legal aspects of nudity in public. A nudist fellow out this way was arrested for being nude in his home, BUT he left his windows unshaded and nearby neighbors got offended. Not too smart and looks exhibitionist to others. You can't be TOO casual about being a nudist. Nudies2 is right about being unknowingly photographed nude especially with the amount of cellphone cameras out there, everyone has one. I don't mind being photographed just ask permission. I avoid public exposure although in my youth I was a bit reckless. Be cautious in this world of unlimited information, nude photo's could be used against you. | |
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| Being nude with friends and strangers at parties, homes and beaches never was a problem. I thought I saw a customer of mine from 20 + years ago with some extra weight on her at a club last year. I wasn't sure it was her, we glanced at each other, nothing more. When entering a public nude beach with 2 lady friends and still dressed a couple that was customers/friends at the time were there nude. As soon as they saw us they rolled over on their bellies. We all knew each other so we waved saying hello and continued further on down the beach because we saw they were shy or embarrased. When I ran into them weeks later the gal made mention of the size of my penis. I don't know how she got to see me nude we were quite a distance apart. Not too cool, bad taste and I dropped them from my list of contacts, too bad, we often went on motorcycle group tours together and shared non nude lodging. | |
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| Bye, fireprof here's wishing you the best with your personal opinions. What you fail to see is there are fellow nudists here expressing who they are, as well as yourself, and wish to be allowed to be that, and allowed you the same courtesy. No one here has asked you to change your way of being. | |
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| AZofnow you and I share the same opinion about the AANR article. My immediate thought was the same, I smirked and said here is a feeble attempt at trying to smooth the waters of upset shared by a mulitude of single AANR members and non members. We are discriminated against and more so if we don't fit what is considered the proper social manner. I do wish the gal luck with the article series but all she or anyone has to do is look around NCH and see the frustration being voiced. Maybe, MAYBE, she will make a dent in the club mentality, we shall see. Fireprof,I am not "single", I too am happily married attending nudist functions by myself with my wife's OK. As a former nudist she too is frustrated and preplexed by the single outsider issues I am subjected to. In her profession she too deals with a lot of people daily and we both have the same opinion about social chit chat from non family or very close friends. We are not anti-social, if you have something to say, say it. We do our own personal version of pointed chit chat then back to the movie, hobbies or work issues etc. It's who we are. We belong to 2 large fishing clubs with 1000's of members many of whom we interact with and they too practice their own form of discrimination. When certain groups get together we get the outsider looks while attending and when the chit chat starts we are gone, back to the RV for relief. It's the same all over but there we are accepted and allowed to be who we are and are respected as fellow members with a common bond, enjoyment of the beaches, fishing and relaxing by ourselves but, outside the camper we are dressed and don't encounter that additional can of worms. | |
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| Thank you skyflydive, such is life as we participate in it, with any luck within our presence on the planet we will accept all humans for who they are, rather than the way they should be with no prejudice. Shall we now chat about asking the Middle East nations to accept our democracratic way of being because we say so? Let's not go there please. Jmax | |
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| Life is social meeting like it or not, the thing is to respect others without imposing your or my way of life and thinking without invitation. The casual hi, hello is fine then be on your way, no problem. If there is a genuine issue of concern then relate it please and allow me to choose to deal with it or not. The choice to be a nudist or of a political party etc. is common ground for acceptance. I'm not trying to join a subversive group, I just want to get away and veg, away from the worldly things like the multitude of issues folks carry with them and need to relate or act upon. That too is fine just take it to those who wish to interact in that manner. Why is it so necessary to socialize? If I don my motorcyle garb I can walk into a group of bikers and be accepted and don't have to chit chat. Why? The common bond of obviously being a fellow biker. The common bond isn't realized at USA nudist clubs until the prerequisite "gotta get to know yah" ritual is adhered to, to a degree, because after the tour and 4 days of interviews then acceptance, I stroll down to the beach or cafe' and the single suspicions abound. I don't say that is bad and wrong it just isn't being "social" or accepting of an obvious common way of being that all others freely enjoy there. | |
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| So, fireprof, what if we do not want to "drum the conversation" when an uninvited person invades our privacy when not invited to do so? Sitting quietly relaxing is NOT an invitation, it is an intrusion when not respected by others. | |
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| BRAVO Olivia!!!!! AND, fireprof, I'm NOT unsociable, I'm just not good at idle chit chat and would rather "stick a fork in my eye," as once said by a NHC lady, than listen to opinions of whatever, family stuff, politics, etc. It just don't interest me and I do not offer mine. Given what I've read of your postings you seem an able social mingler, congrats but it isn't me. If had to hangout in the firehouse mingling with and listening to the bro's for days on end I would end up in the loony bin. My idea of conversation is what's going on here, get to the point about things that concern us all. I participate in my local community but only to the degree of being a contributing citizen offering to help with needed issues. Invite me to the potluck social for us volunteers I bring what I committed to and soon disappear when "how's the kids and work etc." babble starts. That's me sir. | |
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| I have re-read your comments fireprof and I'm uncomfortable with what you say. So everyone should be like you? We who are not like you, are bad and wrong because of who we are, what we are and how we be? You sound just like the clubs, do it our (your) way or the highway! What about acceptance of the fellow nudist no matter what? If the person turns up a jerk, etc. then dump him/her. A Napoleonic kangaroo court mentality that says you are guilty and prove differently isn't much fun just because you are a single. Being at a club reminds me of an oppressive society that constantly looks out for the non conformist, those that are different and inherently suspect because they are different. The last club I was at has many year round homes and camp sites, as I toured the area checking it out and trying to get an idea of what it was all about I could see and feel the distrust coming from the homes and people I came across, not a single "hello how are you" just wary looks as a stranger looks at them and their abodes. I guess each single should get horse blinders so they pay attention to themselves until the day of acceptance by the Status Quo. You say I/we singles here chatting are unsociable~~not so~~ we walk into an envonment that says we are because we are treated as outsiders from the get go just by being single compounded by who we are. | |
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| If I go to a nudist resort in Europe or the Carribean I can be by myself and enjoy being so with no restrictions. I'm accepted as a fellow nudist without changing who or what I am and relax. Not so here, I have to adapt to the rules and demands imposed by clubs. Going to a nudist resort or club is a vacation and getaway for me and I do not wish to jump through hoops of acceptance to enjoy myself especially after reading all the AANR and others praise, acceptance and benefits of the nudist life style. The young nudists forming their own groups like Vita Nuda have it right by accepting everyone but they have age limits, more USA nudist prejudice with one young lady of that group saying she doesn't want to be "eye candy for some geezer." So it goes, to each their own. I wonder what group she will be involved in if still single and dumped because of her age? And yes, I have experienced hostitity at 2 of the 3 clubs I visited. At one a stranger comes out of nowhere and confronts me with "what's your opinion on nude children?" At another I was told to always keep my genitalia exposed so they can "see what's going on down there!" And a seemingly gay fellow approaches me asking how my interviews were going, how did he know? Was I being tested? All contributing to my assertions that they are very suspicious of singles, and me, making me feel more of an outsider even after being told by a reviewing committee member I was a "true nudist." | |
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| A single lady started a column about the poor treatment "singles" male and female, get at most clubs. A very familiar subject here in NCH. Maybe she will make a dent in the restrictions but I doubt it. I joined NCH when I found how singles were viewed during my first 3 club visits hoping there was an answer. All I found is very limited sucess and lots of complaining with few answers beyond "hoping" the established clubs come around and accept singles. The way sexuality is viewed and child protection reigns in the USA I see no "hope" in our immediate future and have concluded I won't experience European openess here in my lifetime. Being the "lone wolf" type who would rather sit by myself and enjoy getting away from people because of my profession dealing daily with lots of souls doesn't help adding to suspicions about my singleness and my desire to be nude and mostly alone while doing it. Clubs of any type hold newbies at arms length, nudity adds another big glitch in an overly repressive and protective society. I'm going to give it one more try this season to see if I can break through the club singles shield but I'm not too encouraged given all the evidence to the contrary. Jmaxn1 the discouraged nudist. Nudies2 Comments : Jmaxn1, I have reasons to agree with your take on the article, it will most likely make a little or no dent at all | |
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| My experiences so far. I've only been to 3 clubs as a single male and always felt like an outsider. Never any undressed children when I was around. The first club a fellow sat down next to me and asked how I felt about nude children. The second club no children around but I did hook up with a small group, 2 guys and a gal, and we shared lunch and wine at their camp but I was ignored by the rest of the members. The third club I went through 4 interviews and was told by one guy to always keep my genitals exposed so they can see what's "going on down there." Then a gal in her 20's did a long nude exhibitionist show drying herself off 6 feet in front me but her table was 3 away from me. Did I stare? NO, did I see her? YES, it was unavoidable. Chatting with her after was fine. Later she gives me the cold shoulder and the first interviewer who called me a "real nudist" and was very friendly gives me the shoulder. Along the way a fellow came up to me seeming on the gay side asking how I'm doing with the interviews, how did he know? I became an Associate there before the drying off show and cold shoulders, haven't been back yet. Can't wait to see how they treat me on the next trip. My wife thinks I was set up. I haven't been to clubs as a couple but a lady friend will be going with me this year, then I will experience the contrast and do an update. I don't know about quotas but the treatment of single males is disgusting. I've always been a nudist and only tried clubs recently. My opinion, from my limited experience, is they are very cult like and my enthusiasm has waned considerably. So much for nudist "freedom!" | |
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| Back from 4 days at Solair Recreation League and I cannot say enough good about it. I have never felt so welcome ANYWHERE! Singles, couples, families, etc. friendly. Even got invited to the Sat. nite dance by a lady. 2 more visits and I get to apply for membership. ALL facilities are top notch with a decent restaurant and 450 wooded acres. Clean pond and beach for swimming, boating and fishing. Woodland trails, shooting range, RV, tent and home sites and cabins for rent. They are expanding with home and RV sites for sale. Can't wait to get back there! My only complaint is it is a bit buggy, lots of forest, but they spray the area every Friday am. Great bunch of friendly,dedicated members. Back again from Solair and after 3 visits I'm now affiliated with a home club. BUT, that new single guy on the grounds wariness is still felt. May take some time to be totally welcomed, we shall see. | |
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| Spent the day at Solair Recreation League in Connecticut and found them to be very friendly to me, a married/single male. Got the tour and first timers package. After 4 visits in one season you have to apply for membership. They tossed out a single guy last weekend for excessive staring. | |
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| I just called Solair Resort in Connecticut and asked about their "single" male policy and the young lady on the phone said "we accept single males!" First timers have to be there on a weekend for a tour, an interview with a member and a sex offender check. I will be there Sat. am wish me luck! J | |
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| Resorts,clubs,landed, non landed, etc. What's the difference? As long as they are friendly and open to us "single" nudists whoever they are. The VitaNuda folks are on the right track but limit the age of their members. Their position on nudism should be held by all. J. | |
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| Berkshire Vista Resort in Mass single male friendly, but wary, clothing optional, AANR supported and discount. Dyer Woods RI, singles OK but facilities are run down and dropped by AANR. Great hiking trails. | |
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